{"id":686,"date":"2023-11-14T18:51:55","date_gmt":"2023-11-14T18:51:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.iterudio.com\/?p=686"},"modified":"2023-11-14T18:52:24","modified_gmt":"2023-11-14T18:52:24","slug":"sisyphus-say-anything-the-seeker","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.iterudio.com\/?p=686","title":{"rendered":"Sisyphus, “Say Anything”, The Seeker"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

The tragic<\/em> part of living a life of “quiet desperation” (in the Henry David Thoreau sense) is usually the lost opportunity to do good as opposed to “intentional malice.”
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For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds; <\/em>
Lilies that fester smell far worse\u00a0than weeds.<\/em><\/p>Sonnet 94 (William Shakespeare)<\/cite><\/blockquote><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

In 2023 Merriam-Webster tells us that a “tragedy<\/a>” is “a disastrous event\u00a0:\u00a0<\/strong>CALAMITY<\/a>”

Back in Mr Shakespeare’s time a “tragedy” was closer to “a medieval narrative poem or tale typically describing the downfall of a great man” (Merriam-Webster definition 2C – and I used the term as in Merriam-Webster definition 3: “tragic quality or element”)

fwiw: Mr Shakespeare’s plays tend to be divided into “tragedy”, “comedy”, and “histories” – kind of the broad “genres” of his time. In Shakespearean “tragedy” a lot of people will be dead at the end of the play, in a “comedy” folks will pair up\/get married, and “histories” were obviously “based on a true story” BUT tended to be presented to “please the sponsor” much more than be an accurate representation of historic events …<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Sisyphus<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

The Ancient Greek concept of tragedy<\/em> would have required a “great man” – to suffer a great downfall BUT more along the Merriam-Webster 2A definition (“the a serious drama typically describing a conflict between the protagonist and a superior force (such as destiny) and having a sorrowful or disastrous conclusion that elicits pity or terror”<\/em>)

Ancient Greek “tragedy” tends to involve a “mostly admirable” king\/leader that does nothing “wrong” but still suffers because of a relatively small character flaw – e.g. the hero tries to avoid his “destiny”\/fate and ends up bringing about his fate BECAUSE he tried to avoid it.

Wikipedia tells us that Sisyphus<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0was the king of Corinth, punished in Tartarus by being cursed to roll a huge boulder up a hill in Greek mythology.<\/em>

BUT the myth of Sisyphus is more of a “cautionary tale” about divine justice rather than a “tragedy” – the “lesson” the Ancient Greeks were passing along with the myth of Sisyphus was probably “don’t mess with the ‘gods'” not “don’t fight your fate”

The punishment aspect of the myth of Sisyphus is always that he is sentenced to an endless AND pointless task – just pushing the boulder up a hill might not seem that bad, but being forced to do it FOREVER for no reason, well, that wouldn’t be any fun …
The Ancient Greek concept of tragedy<\/em> would have required a “great man” – to suffer a great downfall BUT more along the Merriam-Webster 2A definition (“the a serious drama typically describing a conflict between the protagonist and a superior force (such as destiny) and having a sorrowful or disastrous conclusion that elicits pity or terror”<\/em>)

Ancient Greek “tragedy” tends to involve a “mostly admirable” king\/leader that does nothing “wrong” but still suffers because of a relatively small character flaw – e.g. the hero tries to avoid his “destiny”\/fate and ends up bringing about his fate BECAUSE he tried to avoid it.

Wikipedia tells us that Sisyphus<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0was the king of Corinth, punished in Tartarus by being cursed to roll a huge boulder up a hill in Greek mythology.<\/em>

BUT the myth of Sisyphus is more of a “cautionary tale” about divine justice rather than a “tragedy” – the “lesson” the Ancient Greeks were passing along with the myth of Sisyphus was probably “don’t mess with the ‘gods'” not “don’t fight your fate”

The punishment aspect of the myth of Sisyphus is always that he is sentenced to an endless AND pointless task – just pushing the boulder up a hill might not seem that bad, but being forced to do it FOREVER for no reason, well, that wouldn’t be any fun …<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Lloyd Dobler<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

Now, the “average Ancient Greek” was a subsistence farmer (well, the “average Ancient human” was also a subsistence farmer – but that isn’t important). <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Life as a “subsistence farmer” (i.e. trying to live off of growing your own food) probably sounds “hard” to modern humans – but it would have had the advantage of a clear purpose\/reason for daily labor (i.e. “survival” – feed yourself and your family).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Fast forward to the 20th Century and there are still subsistence farmers – but they tend to be in what gets called “developing nations” in 2023. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

(aside: The concept of “Third World” nations is a relic of the “Cold War” – i.e. countries could be divided into “us” vs “them” with “not us or them” being the “Third World” – of course those countries were probably NOT “us” OR “them” because they were “undeveloped” – but now I feel like I’m going in circles.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Just like in “ancient times” the average “modern” subsistence farmer is most concerned with survival – and that daily struggle for survival is an obvious “purpose for work.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In the “developed world” the “people” can still be divided between “haves” and “have nots” – but the daily struggle for “food” has been replaced by a “subsistence paycheck” in exchange for labor. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Of course the “problem” for “modern workers” can become CHOOSING a profession — i.e. again, for most of human existence the problem was growing enough food to survive – not “self-fulfillment”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The last half of the 20th Century saw a lot of “progress” but human nature didn’t change. We “know” more and we “have” more in the “developed world” but humans are still the same “stuff” we have always been. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Better nutrition and health care means the average height and weight have increased – people are bigger and healthier but still the same ol’ “people.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The unintended consequence of material prosperity has been to replace the “fight for survival” with a “search for meaning.” <\/p>\n\n\n\n

A lot of folks have ALWAYS managed to avoid the subject – and these are those folks leading the “unexamined life is not worth living” (as Socrates put it) or “lives of quiet desperation” (as Mr Thoreau put it).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The late 20th century version of that struggle is found in “Say Anything” (1989) when the protagonist points out:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

“I don’t want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything as a career. I don’t want to sell anything bought or processed, or buy anything sold or processed, or process anything sold, bought, or processed, or repair anything sold, bought, or processed.”<\/p> –Lloyd Dobler<\/cite><\/blockquote><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

The Seeker<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

From a “big picture history” point of view the rise and fall of “great societies”\/Empires can be seen as a failure of “values.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Yes, different cultures have different concepts of “normal” – BUT for them to be a “culture<\/a>” they have a “set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It should be obvious that just living in the same geographic region does NOT make a “culture” – unless you count hating ‘those people’ as a “culture”

I won’t bother with multiple examples – e.g. “Arabs” and “Jews.” <\/p>\n\n\n\n

On a MUCH smaller scale I laughed at myself when I didn’t apply for a “tech job” with a school system in southwestern Ohio because THEY were rivals with US in high school sports (ok, there were other reasons as well – but the friendly sports rivalry was my first thought when I saw the job posting).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

“The Who” (one of those “rock & roll” bands) serves as a modern cultural example of that human “desire for meaning” and “belonging” – one of their songs asks the big question<\/a> but American poet E.E. Cummings asked a similar question in 1923:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

seeker of truth

follow no path
all paths lead where

truth is here
<\/p>e.e. cummings<\/cite><\/blockquote><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

The obvious problem for “seekers” is that it is possible to be deceived into thinking “truth is here” when it isn’t – this verse comes to mind<\/a> – <\/p>\n\n\n\n

I tend to be suspicious of ANYONE that asks me to “trust them” about ANYTHING without any proof\/verification – but that is just me (Luke 6:43-45<\/a> also comes to mind) <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Just because someone believes something and is sincere DOES NOT mean they are “true” – it is possible to be “sincerely wrong” …<\/p>\n\n\n\n

of course I could ALWAYS<\/em><\/strong> be wrong so you shouldn’t trust me<\/em><\/strong> on that – <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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