{"id":175,"date":"2021-10-01T12:12:13","date_gmt":"2021-10-01T16:12:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/iterudio.com\/?p=175"},"modified":"2021-10-01T12:12:13","modified_gmt":"2021-10-01T16:12:13","slug":"parenting-birth-order-destiny","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.iterudio.com\/?p=175","title":{"rendered":"parenting, birth order, destiny"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Recently noticed a &#8220;social media post&#8221; from a well meaning individual about individual responsibility &#8211; that I would tend to agree with, but is still slightly specious &#8230;<br \/><br \/>Before starting, I feel obligated to point out that no one has &#8220;perfect parents&#8221; &#8211; we are all imperfect human beings. I will argue that MOST parents are trying very hard and doing the best they can with what they have. <br \/><br \/>I am NOT talking about anyone in particular. My Bachelors degree is in &#8220;Liberal Studies&#8221; &#8211; e.g. which kind of means I took a lot of psychology and history classes, but not enough of either to get a degree is &#8220;psychology&#8221; or &#8220;history.&#8221; <br \/><br \/>Umm, so whoever is reading this &#8211; I&#8217;m not talking about you \ud83d\ude09 Most of what I&#8217;ll point out has &#8220;research&#8221; to back it up and of course the occasional Bible verse will popup. <\/p>\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Parenting<\/h4>\n\n\n<p>The &#8220;motivating meme&#8221; said something about children raised by the same parents turning out differently &#8211; the old one is a Sinner the other a Saint, but both came from the same circumstances\/had the same parents.<\/p>\n\n\n<p>This is where the &#8220;speciousness&#8221; occurs &#8211; the assumption is both that &#8220;parenting&#8221; is a uniform\/consistent product and that children are all the same.<\/p>\n\n\n<p>Two individuals can grow up in the same household with the same parents and have very different &#8220;parenting experiences.&#8221; <\/p>\n\n\n<p>Part of that difference is due to the fact that &#8220;parenting&#8221; isn&#8217;t something you buy in cans from the &#8220;parenting&#8221; store. Once more &#8211; there are no perfect human parents &#8211; because there are no &#8220;perfect&#8221; humans.<\/p>\n\n\n<p>(oh, and this is where if someone says there family is &#8220;perfect&#8221; &#8211; feel free to ask them about their eating disorder. No family is &#8220;perfect&#8221; but thinking you are supposed to be part of a &#8220;perfect&#8221; family tends to be a sign of an eating disorder.)<\/p>\n\n\n<p>The point is that &#8220;parents&#8221; are living life as well &#8211; again, most parents are doing the best they can. <\/p>\n\n\n<p>Of course differences in &#8220;parenting&#8221; between &#8220;families&#8221; is easy to understand &#8211; but my subject today differences in children raised by the same parents.<\/p>\n\n\n<p>I&#8217;ve chatted with (some) parents that admit they thought their first child would be a &#8220;blank slate&#8221; that just needed to be &#8220;trained right&#8221; and  everything would be perfect (this is the old &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.britannica.com\/topic\/tabula-rasa\" target=\"_blank\">tabula rasa<\/a>&#8221; theory). <\/p>\n\n\n<p>Well, then it turns out that the child came with a &#8220;disposition&#8221; and the &#8220;blank slate&#8221; thinking goes out the window.<br \/><br \/>SO this is where the &#8220;humans are complex emotional beings&#8221; concept comes into play &#8211; no two siblings are going to be EXACTLY the same. If the same two parents have multiple children, then each child comes with a &#8220;disposition&#8221; installed at the factory \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Birth Order<\/h4>\n\n\n<p>Back in &#8220;the old days&#8221; of &#8220;landed gentry&#8221; the cliche was that in a family with four male children &#8211; the first born would inherit the &#8220;estate&#8221; (and enter politics), the second born would join the military, and the third would go into &#8220;law&#8221;, and the fourth would join the &#8220;church&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n<p>That tradition sounds &#8220;cute&#8221; in 2021 &#8211; but in an agricultural society &#8220;land&#8221; equals &#8220;wealth.&#8221; Obviously if the family divided the land between all the children, eventually the segments of land would be to small to be productive.<\/p>\n\n\n<p>The point for bringing up that tradition is to point out the difference &#8220;birth order&#8221; would have made on parenting expectations &#8220;back then.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n<p>I&#8217;m not sure how much &#8220;real research&#8221; has been done on &#8220;birth order&#8221; and the results on the child&#8217;s personality\/psychology. More responsibility being placed on older children would be normal, but that doesn&#8217;t translate into &#8220;birth order rules&#8221; &#8211; again, parents aren&#8217;t manufacturing a product, and children are individuals.<\/p>\n\n\n<p>In the course of &#8220;getting to know&#8221; someone &#8211; I tend to ask about siblings and birth order. No, I don&#8217;t draw any conclusions about someone based on their birth order &#8211; there is (probably) more telling information in how they talk about their family than the size of the family &#8211; but that isn&#8217;t important now \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n\n\n<p>In 2021 pointing out that <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.census.gov\/library\/stories\/2021\/04\/number-of-children-living-only-with-their-mothers-has-doubled-in-past-50-years.html\" target=\"_blank\">&#8220;two parent&#8221; households tend to do better, then &#8220;single parent&#8221; households<\/a> can get you called names &#8211; but there it is. <\/p>\n\n\n<p>We (as in &#8220;humanity&#8221;) also tend to &#8220;parent&#8221; the way we were &#8220;parented.&#8221; Which means that dysfunctional families tend to create MORE dysfunctional families &#8211; e.g. children of alcoholics will often marry alcoholics (a therapist might say they are &#8220;working on resolving primary relationship issues&#8221; &#8211; but I ain&#8217;t a therapist \ud83d\ude09 ) <\/p>\n\n\n<p>In any case there is a BIG difference between &#8220;good enough&#8221;\/&#8221;average&#8221; parenting and &#8220;abusive&#8221;\/&#8221;truly dysfunctional&#8221; parenting. <\/p>\n\n\n<p><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Medea\" target=\"_blank\">Medea from Greek mythology<\/a>  comes to mind &#8211; did they murder their children? no? then they did SOMETHING right (did I mention I&#8217;m not judging anyone?)<\/p>\n\n\n<p>The cliche that the best gift you can give your children is to have a strong marriage &#8211; is still true &#8211; BUT again, that is a &#8220;general statement&#8221; not written in stone. Did I mention that parents are people too? <\/p>\n\n\n<p>I&#8217;m not judging just pointing out that if you want &#8220;better adults&#8221; then  &#8220;stronger families&#8221; are probably a good place to start &#8211; and I&#8217;m moving on &#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Destiny<\/h4>\n\n\n<p>The whole &#8220;free will&#8221; vs &#8220;fate&#8221;\/destiny comes to mind at this point. <\/p>\n\n\n<p>The Judeo Christian tradition has splintered quite a bit on this subject &#8211; and I won&#8217;t try to summarize 500 years of &#8220;Protestantism&#8221; here. How about if I just say that a lot of smart people have thought\/written a lot about the subject &#8211; and it is probably beyond human explanation &#8211; and moving on. <\/p>\n\n\n<p>This verse from the <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Proverbs%2022%3A6&amp;version=NKJV\" target=\"_blank\">Book of Proverbs (22:6)<\/a> summarizes &#8220;parenting 101&#8221; expectations &#8211; then <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/deuteronomy\/24-16.htm\" target=\"_blank\">Deuteronomy 24:16<\/a> tells us that &#8220;every man shall be put to death for his own sin&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n<p>Taken out of context &#8211; this Shakespeare quote (from &#8220;Julius Caesar&#8221;) &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/interestingliterature.com\/2021\/04\/cassius-speech-bestride-colossus-fault-not-in-our-stars-julius-caesar-analysis\/\" target=\"_blank\">the fault is not in our stars but in ourselves<\/a>&#8221; sounds like a good summary of this almost 1,000 word ramble &#8230; <\/p>\n\n\n<p>(but &#8220;in context&#8221;, well, Brutus was an honorable man, they were ALL honorable men &#8211; which probably works even better &#8211; i.e. the line is used to convince Brutus that Julius Caesar must be assassinated for the &#8220;common good&#8221;)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Recently noticed a &#8220;social media post&#8221; from a well meaning individual about individual responsibility &#8211; that I would tend to agree with, but is still slightly specious &#8230; Before starting, I feel obligated to point out that no one has &#8220;perfect parents&#8221; &#8211; we are all imperfect human beings. 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